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AC Diagnosis/trouble-shooting with out gauging up
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With the ever rising cost of refrigerants, risks of possible contamination, accidentally mixing refrigerants, and potential refrigerant loss, gauging up on an AC system really should be one of the last things we do as technicians. We should consider a NON-invasive approach. We could even consider an up-charge for attaching gauges to a system.

 

It is very possible and easy to troubleshoot an AC system with just using temperature probes and clamps, but we need to know what to look for.  So lets start with manufacture design. 

 

First and foremost, AIRFLOW. 350-400CFM per ton, manufacture design. If you do not or cannot verify this with tools, you will be wasting time and money. Holding your hand above the register and feeling it, is NOT and indication of "good" airflow.

 

By design, for decades now (and likely will remain for decades to come), AC manufactures intend for their evaporator coils to run at a target temp of approx 40-45*F.  For R410A that will be suction pressure of 119psi. A secondary note to this design is that the evaporator should be about 35*F cooler than the air coming into it (return air temp). This will give us a delta T (difference from return to supply) anywhere between 15-20*F. Now, IF you gauge up, and see low suction pressure, try to understand what you are really looking at, which is the evaporator temperature. If its 68* in the home (return air), subtract 35*, your evap temp will be 33* or 105psi on R410a. This is considerably lower than our target temp of 40, and by trying to maintain 68* in the home is pushing the equipment past design. 

 

However, if the thermostat is set for lets say 74*, and the space is 74* or warmer, but our return air temp is 68*, we know we have and issue somewhere that is allowing extra cold air to pass over the evap. This could be from a bypass humidifier, a bypass dump for zoning or even pulling too much return from a lower level (basement) in the home. This will need to be corrected.  Just by using temp probes in the return and supply ducts, and looking at the thermostat/room temp, we can possibly diagnose an issue or determine if gauging up is appropriate at this point.

 

Another temperature measurement we can use is the APPROACH TEMP. The approach temperature is the difference in temperature from the outdoor air coming into the condenser and the liquid line temp. NOTE: when taking pipe temp readings, use a pipe clamp thermometer, avoid using a bead probe or a stick type temperature  probe. If the air coming into the condenser is 85*, and the liquid line temp is 77*, we have an approach temp of 8*F. Is this good or bad? Again, back to manufacture design. To calculate what our approach temperature should be, we need to know what equipment we are dealing with, so let say we are on a 14SEER system. CTOA (condensing temp over ambient) for 13-15SEER equipment is approx 20*F. We then subtract design sub-cooling (on the rating plate) from 20, that will give you your target approach. Recommended or design CTOA will vary on different SEER equipment. If a subcooling temp is not provided by the manufacture, a general guideline would be 10-13*.  

 

If your approach temp is off target +/- 3*, an outdoor section cleaning or even gauging up may be required at this point. Keep in mind that your liquid line temp should never be colder than the outdoor temp. 

 

If your temperature checks seem to fall into place, there really isn't a need to be overly invasive and gauge up. In the long run, this could save time and money, especially if the call is just a check-up/tune-up. And, keep in mind to be more focused on temperatures rather than pressures. 

 

 

So in Summary:

Key Principles for Non-Invasive Diagnosis:

  1. Airflow Verification

    • Target 350-400 CFM per ton as per manufacturer design.

    • Avoid relying on subjective methods like feeling airflow by hand; use proper tools.

  2. Evaporator Coil Temperature

    • Designed to run at 40-45°F (119 psi on R410A).

    • The evaporator temperature should be about 35°F cooler than the return air temperature, creating a 15-20°F delta T between return and supply air.

  3. Identifying Suction Pressure Issues

    • Low suction pressure may indicate an evaporator running below target temperature.

    • If return air is 68°F, the evaporator should be 33°F (105 psi on R410A) — this is too low and indicates excessive cooling demand.

    • A return air temperature unexpectedly lower than the thermostat setting may point to issues like:

      • Bypass humidifiers

      • Zoning bypass dampers

      • Excessive return air from cooler areas like basements

  4. Approach Temperature Measurement

    • The approach temperature is the difference between the outdoor air temperature and the liquid line temperature.

    • For a 14 SEER system, subtract the equipment's design sub-cooling (typically 10-13°F) from 20°F (typical CTOA for 13-15 SEER systems) to calculate your target approach temperature.

    • An approach temperature that deviates by ±3°F may indicate the need for outdoor coil cleaning or further investigation.

    • The liquid line temperature should never be colder than the outdoor temperature.

Conclusion

By focusing on temperature checks rather than pressures, technicians can reduce the risk of refrigerant loss and improve diagnostic efficiency. Only gauge up when temperature readings indicate a deeper issue.

   

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